Meetings/Members2014-06-09 - Revision history

Martin de S at 09:47, 16 June 2014

2014-06-16T09:47:14Z

Laura: Created page with "Since last meeting, action occured - survey team created & working on membership survey == Stuff to decide: == unclaimed capital hiring membership fees in general student d..."

2014-06-16T07:23:43Z

Created page with "Since last meeting, action occured - survey team created & working on membership survey == Stuff to decide: == unclaimed capital hiring membership fees in general student d..."

New page

Since last meeting, action occured - survey team created & working on membership survey

== Stuff to decide: ==

unclaimed capital
hiring
membership fees
in general
student deal
how do we choose to buy kit
cycle every few months, proposals etc
laser cutter
subcommittee for new premises
purchasing process
linux or microsoft for desktops
Artists/Engineers event - 30th October, using main space (confirm okay)

== who’s here? ==

Jonny (director)
Kim
Roger
Peter
Owen W
Chris A (CNC router)
Mat (laser, bandsaw)
Robert (lathe etc)
Laura (director)
Mark M (CNC Router, listening remotely)

== Notes ==

=== unclaimed capital ===
no one has come forward to help organise/track activity
we need another 250 instances of 6 hour interactions on top of what we can count in this meeting.
What counts as interaction? would a full day exhibition type event count? (yes with named people) 6h of anything
for which we get £15k.

clearer events process could help! also funds for events - like say £10k events budget & better process so it’s easy for people to run events

survey question: have you brought a friend for 6h + of makespace? -- add to next survey

==== events committee / event owners ====
we should have one which works. handle enquiries, match people wanting to run events and members who can host. making an events plan. also encouraging members who can do events to do them

we’ll call this a new decision -- survey question to ask if people want to join it

currently: Laura, Jonny, Martin, SteveU, OwenW (the last 3 added today)

survey question: will you run a course

event admin: publicity, tracking ppl

'''can we use meetup to track events?'''
doesn’t have compulsory end time
the grant doesn’t have a deadline? -- not a formal one but if we don’t present a plan very soon it will go away as an opportunity :) we are already a long time over original deadline

'''Makespace Hacking ideas'''
* Lost property conveyor belt

=== hiring ===
* cleaner
* events
* workshop management
* admin / first aid restocking / paperwork

==== cleaner ====
'''cleaner - there is a proposal. £10 hour, to clean twice a week.'''
what do we think?

useful because dirt accumulates over time

will make it easier to organise meetings - pre meeting cleaning is grim

or perhaps nature of space means dirt?/junk which would discourage meetings

difference between ‘cleaning up from project’ and ‘general cleaning’

but people who don’t clean up after their project aren’t thinking anyway

status quo - kinda fine? not super clean but it’s not terrible (It’s better than other hackerspaces)

is cleaning different from other stuff?
* dishwasher
* buying snacks
* tidying
* activating tokens and filing paperwork

'''alternative proposals :
'''
===== cleaning rota - DON’T LIKE THIS ONE =====

monthly allocations
enough people that if a few people don’t do it it’s not hte end of the world
for some people the rota will be enough
people not on the rota would not clean

===== could it be a list that people sign to say they cleaned on that day, everyone must sign against one day by the end of the year - SET THIS UP NOW =====

like snack buying, seems to work
could do this today to see if it works, and no cost!

===== more regular Big Cleans like we did before birthday party - WE LIKE THIS TOO =====

we members can do cleaning AND tidying
we can also make rearrangements if needed… thinking about use of space etc
scheduled at regular frequency through the year? eg every 2m or every 3m
party atmosphere
great way for new members to get to know space
what if we did this either before or after a hackathon???
more motivating to clean before hackathons!
eg clean one week, hackathon the next

SURVEY QUESTION: ask for people to coordinate

SURVEY: “here are jobs needing doing please volunteer” or “you must have a task” :)

we already push volunteering in inductions. we could push specific tasks there as well (emptying bins, publicity about finished projects, running events, buying snacks, sysadmin/web infrastructure)

require one to volunteer to complete induction??

does this all suggest a ‘getting up to speed with makespace culture’ issue?

push badges…

say ‘your induction isn’t complete until you have attended some thing’

say ‘your induction isn’t until you have signed up for some task’

'''newbie night''' - more awareness that folks there may be unsure… (that was goal of thursday maker night originally - maybe emphasise this more in induction)

what about focus at maker nights? eg 3d printing, router, whatever. help available on that kit. able to ask what kit might be useful for, ask about what you could do with a given bit of kit like a clinic.
A lot of members aren’t sure of the capabilities of equipment and want to talk to an owner (or someone else experienced on that kit)

events committee could schedule this sort of thing & push it along.

Owners could potentially delegate ‘helping at maker night’ to other folks they’ve inducted :)

'''can we contact all owners of kit? we need an email alias.'''
Could someone write up a list of owners, so we can create an alias, and run ‘owners club’, etc ??? this person would be active owner of kit. Who could that be? ACTION: we need someone!! EMAIL LIST to ask who is up for this. MM sent list of emails to Jonny to setup the mailing list.

==== DECISIONS: ====
'''
* try sign up list when you’ve cleaned
* try big cleans
* if not we’ll come back to cleaner hiring question'''

==== events ====
not to hire at this time - try last ditch events owners idea above

then if we want to get a coordinator/publicity person later we will come back to this

==== workshop management / admin / first aid restocking / paperwork ====

would do stuff like:

checking and restocking first aid kit

replacing small handtools etc

keeping consumables in stock (sellotape to nails)

making sure kit is pat tested and signage up to date and overall space in decent order

general caretaking stuff

general supplies purchase

remove small expenses claims etc

if there are people who would like to do this they might be happy to do it as a volunteer! can we find such a person? would they want to be around in makespace anyway

if someone would do it for ‘free membership’ let’s think instead about doing it for a £40/m honorarium! but it’s still goodwill basically ;) we don’t do free membership it is distorting.

if we pay people for stuff that isn’t working, we need to make sure it doesn’t become an argument about ‘well you get paid for X, i don’t fancy doing Y’

management of space, health and safety etc is not the same as community facilitation (printer paper etc). ‘technical’ vs ‘community/general’
also ‘management’ vs ‘admin’
also specialist skill vs generalist skill

Helpdesk ticketing system - so we share tasks around, see what’s taken, tag stuff that needs to be done in the space etc.

ACTION: LJ/JA to investigate set/up ticketing system

'''DECISION:
* we will see if we can share this work out in the community
* we will set up a ticketing system to make sharing easier
* we can talk more if this doesn’t work out about hiring

'''

Kim might be interseted in putative role … maybe in fundraising & new space set up
membership fees

'''should oaps pay less as they may be a prime volunteer resource?
'''

''we don’t have many/enough people at the meeting to make a decision on membership fees
''
is it OAP discount, or a general discount for oaps/unemployed/students?

when people say ‘i can’t afford it’ they mean one of:
* i have budgeted and i cannot afford
* i feel i will not get £40 value
* i am not willing to find the £40 because of other things

high cost means we have fewer very invested people. is that better than many less keen people? (or are keen people excluded?)

it’s tricky when you get into drawing lines. is an engineering oap more valuable to us than a media studes oap? how can we identify students or oaps or unemployeds, who validates id and on what basis

option: set up charity, which has aim to support membership for those with a good case. this should not be makespace. it is a charitable set up, takes donations. Would secure funds from donations, high net worth individuals, sponsors, etc.

Could have ‘when you sign up to makespace, option to donate funds to teh charity on top of membership fee if you want’

if turnover less than £40k per year you don’t need the hardcore charity commission audit.

we agreed this last year but ran out of energies. maybe we should blog the idea of the charity and see if anyone wants to make it happen? doesn’t have to be a makerspac member to make this happen.

ACTION: blog post.

'''“Wednesday nights free” - public maker night (no red kit etc!!)''' . nice idea we should have this ;)

What about discounts if you don’t use red kit? it encourages sneakiness which is bad! You’d not get training to dodge costs and then people would use the kit at midnight and they injure themselves… bad idea.

Can we run the numbers and revisit membership fees? not really because the future lease cost is totally unknown!

=== how do we choose to buy kit ===
Proposal from last meeting -
we gather proposals
they are discussed on list
at least 2 people per proposal!!
final proposals are set out according to some template / form in advance of hte meeting
there is a meeting every ?? months where proposals are reviewed
only for proposals with complete info
and therefore everything is closed.

'''agreed to do this!'''

steve U volunteered to draft forms.

If not done in 2w task released for someone else! (otherwise stuff blocks)

=== laser cutter ===

YES to another.

smaller/ same / bigger IN FORM FACTOR?

NOT SMALLER. do we have any evidence of need for a big job? no one has ever asked.

same kit - one set of training etc - makes life easier

smaller/ same / bigger IN POWER?

next step up becomes a totally different animal

are there better laser cutters lately?

Is HPC a pain? seemed ok by one anecdote on phone.
a laser that requires less ‘tuning’ would be nice. current one seems to constantly require attention

what about just add sharks? hackspace mentality, but woudl get a smaller one (they don’t have a bigger one yet). Need access to spares long term. unsure of JAS longevity

Lasercut5.3 - so horrid people don’t monopolise the PC for CAD!

second laser cutter - dependent on extraction to outside, as it would be a lot of lasers and smell etc. that also means 2 filters, 2 coolers etc… on no noisy! niose might be bad. could we locate coolers in the trove? small hole through wall

note that extraction on LEV systems - both laser and workshop - should be inspected. Who do we call? Chris Abri to look into this.

'''DECISION:
IF
a way is found to make space not too noisy with 2 systems running
and extraction is addressed
and we have checked USB set up (action Mat??) -- by testing with a new PC
THEN
we agree to buy another HPC laser exactly the same as the current one'''

=== subcommittee for new premises ===
there should be one but what’s the scope of the work?

maybe a questionnaire and / or open meeting to work out scope.

action of subcommittee: run questionnaire and open meeting???

A note: the most active bits of makespace today aren’t doing admin execution at a rate that means we’d ever get a new premises.

we should talk with IFM, computer museum, cambridge science centre - get their interests/sense of this.

newbuild appealing get exactly what we want!

so there will be more talking in the future :)

Note: if we want big new premises we need a clear vision of what we all want. There’s lots of angles - training, outreach, incubation, hacking. we’ll need to work out what we want first :)

it is much easier to make stuff now than it was a year ago
but a lot of folks aren’t making as much as they should.

was the original vision spread clearly to members? it’s in the guiding principles

'''ACTION: jonny to post original tinderbox paper on website.'''

=== purchasing process ===
some people concerned that expenses take a long time to pay out

need to publicise the expenses system a bit more! action: set up signs for how to buy stuff

need something seamless for small options - make it easy to buy simple things

steve will think about this in strawman purchasing approvals
'''
ACTION: make sure people don’t prepay in the honesty bxoes for a bunch of snacks! encourage people, mention in induction, make sign. borrow from a member not from the cash box
'''

=== linux or microsoft for desktops ===
we have PCs. lots of software donated or which we need needs microsoft but people want linux too.

do we have one or the other or VM it somehow or what?

We need Windows 8, we have XP licences.

could we get MSR who sponsor us to get cheap licences? well they might say they sponsored us already!

we should just buy licences

btu which way round should we do it? dual boot or what’s the default? windows needed native so the hardware drivers work

=== Artists/Engineers event - 30th October, using main space (confirm okay) ===
event approved
we should turn up!

@@ Line 4: / Line 4: @@
 == Stuff to decide: ==
-unclaimed capital
+*unclaimed capital
-hiring
+*hiring
-membership fees
+*membership fees
-in general
+*in general
-student deal
+*student deal
-how do we choose to buy kit
+*how do we choose to buy kit
-cycle every few months, proposals etc
+*cycle every few months, proposals etc
-laser cutter
+*laser cutter
-subcommittee for new premises
+*subcommittee for new premises
-purchasing process
+*purchasing process
-linux or microsoft for desktops
+*linux or microsoft for desktops
-Artists/Engineers event - 30th October, using main space (confirm okay)
+*Artists/Engineers event - 30th October, using main space (confirm okay)
 == who’s here? ==
-Jonny (director)
+*Jonny (director)
-Kim
+*Kim
-Roger
+*Roger
-Peter
+*Peter
-Owen W
+*Owen W
-Chris A (CNC router)
+*Chris A (CNC router)
-Mat (laser, bandsaw)
+*Mat (laser, bandsaw)
-Robert (lathe etc)
+*Robert (lathe etc)
-Laura (director)
+*Laura (director)
-Mark M (CNC Router, listening remotely)
+*Mark M (CNC Router, listening remotely)
 == Notes ==
 === unclaimed capital  ===
-no one has come forward to help organise/track activity
+No one has come forward to help organise/track activity. We need another 250 instances of 6 hour interactions on top of what we can count in this meeting.
-we need another 250 instances of 6 hour interactions on top of what we can count in this meeting.
-What counts as interaction? would a full day exhibition type event count? (yes with named people)  6h of anything
+What counts as interaction? Would a full day exhibition type event count? (yes with named people)  6h of anything
 for which we get £15k.
-clearer events process could help!   also funds for events - like say £10k events budget & better process so it’s easy for people to run events
+Clearer events process could help!  Also funds for events - like say £10k events budget & better process so it’s easy for people to run events
-survey question: have you brought a friend for 6h + of makespace? -- add to next survey
+Survey question: have you brought a friend for 6h + of makespace? -- add to next survey
 ==== events committee / event owners ====
-we should have one which works. handle enquiries, match people wanting to run events and members who can host.  making an events plan.   also encouraging members who can do events to do them
+We should have one which works. Handle enquiries, match people wanting to run events and members who can host.  Making an events plan.  Also encouraging members who can do events to do them
-we’ll call this a new decision -- survey question to ask if people want to join it
+We’ll call this a new decision -- survey question to ask if people want to join it
 currently: Laura, Jonny, Martin, SteveU, OwenW  (the last 3 added today)
-survey question:  will you run a course
+Survey question:  will you run a course
-event admin: publicity, tracking ppl
+Event admin: publicity, tracking people
 '''can we use meetup to track events?'''
-doesn’t have compulsory end time
+*doesn’t have compulsory end time
-the grant doesn’t have a deadline? -- not a formal one but if we don’t present a plan very soon it will go away as an opportunity :) we are already a long time over original deadline
+*the grant doesn’t have a deadline? -- not a formal one but if we don’t present a plan very soon it will go away as an opportunity :) we are already a long time over original deadline
 '''Makespace Hacking ideas'''
@@ Line 97: / Line 97: @@
 ===== cleaning rota -  DON’T LIKE THIS ONE =====
-monthly allocations
+*monthly allocations
-enough people that if a few people don’t do it it’s not hte end of the world
+*enough people that if a few people don’t do it it’s not hte end of the world
-for some people the rota will be enough
+*for some people the rota will be enough
-people not on the rota would not clean
+*people not on the rota would not clean
 ===== could it be a list that people sign to say they cleaned on that day, everyone must sign against one day by the end of the year  -  SET THIS  UP NOW =====
@@ Line 109: / Line 109: @@
 ===== more regular Big Cleans like we did before birthday party - WE LIKE THIS TOO =====
-we members can do cleaning AND tidying
+*we members can do cleaning AND tidying
-we can also make rearrangements if needed…  thinking about use of space etc
+*we can also make rearrangements if needed…  thinking about use of space etc
-scheduled at regular frequency through the year? eg every 2m or every 3m
+*scheduled at regular frequency through the year? eg every 2m or every 3m
-party atmosphere
+*party atmosphere
-great way for new members to get to know space
+*great way for new members to get to know space
-what if we did this either before or after a hackathon???
+*what if we did this either before or after a hackathon???
-more motivating to clean before hackathons!
+*more motivating to clean before hackathons!
-eg clean one week, hackathon the next
+*eg clean one week, hackathon the next
 SURVEY QUESTION: ask for people to coordinate
@@ Line 244: / Line 244: @@
 === how do we choose to buy kit ===
 Proposal from last meeting -
-we gather proposals
+*we gather proposals
-they are discussed on list
+*they are discussed on list
-at least 2 people per proposal!!
+*at least 2 people per proposal!!
-final proposals are set out according to some template / form in advance of hte meeting
+*final proposals are set out according to some template / form in advance of hte meeting
-there is a meeting every ?? months where proposals are reviewed
+*there is a meeting every ?? months where proposals are reviewed
-only for proposals with complete info
+*only for proposals with complete info
-and therefore everything is closed.
+*and therefore everything is closed.
 '''agreed to do this!'''
@@ Line 280: / Line 280: @@
 a laser that requires less ‘tuning’ would be nice. current one seems to constantly require attention
-what about just add sharks?   hackspace mentality, but woudl get a smaller one (they don’t have a bigger one yet).   Need access to spares long term.  unsure of JAS longevity
+what about just add sharks?   hackspace mentality, but would get a smaller one (they don’t have a bigger one yet).   Need access to spares long term.  unsure of JAS longevity
 Lasercut5.3 - so horrid people don’t monopolise the PC for CAD!
-second laser cutter - dependent on extraction to outside, as it would be a lot of lasers and smell etc.   that also means 2 filters, 2 coolers etc…   on no noisy!  niose might be bad.   could we locate coolers in the trove?  small hole through wall
+second laser cutter - dependent on extraction to outside, as it would be a lot of lasers and smell etc.   that also means 2 filters, 2 coolers etc…   on no noisy!  noise might be bad.   could we locate coolers in the trove?  small hole through wall